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Phaedo; I suppose that these fair locks of yours will be severed。



  Yes; Socrates; I suppose that they will; I replied。



  Not so if you will take my advice。



  What shall I do with them? I said。



  To…day; he replied; and not to…morrow; if this argument dies and



cannot be brought to life again by us; you and I will both shave our



locks; and if I were you; and could not maintain my ground against



Simmias and Cebes; I would myself take an oath; like the Argives;



not to wear hair any more until I had renewed the conflict and



defeated them。



  Yes; I said; but Heracles himself is said not to be a match for two。



  Summon me then; he said; and I will be your Iolaus until the sun



goes down。



  I summon you rather; I said; not as Heracles summoning Iolaus; but



as Iolaus might summon Heracles。



  That will be all the same; he said。 But first let us take care



that we avoid a danger。



  And what is that? I said。



  The danger of becoming misologists; he replied; which is one of



the very worst things that can happen to us。 For as there are



misanthropists or haters of men; there are also misologists or



haters of ideas; and both spring from the same cause; which is



ignorance of the world。 Misanthropy arises from the too great



confidence of inexperience; you trust a man and think him altogether



true and good and faithful; and then in a little while he turns out to



be false and knavish; and then another and another; and when this



has happened several times to a man; especially within the circle of



his most trusted friends; as he deems them; and he has often quarreled



with them; he at last hates all men; and believes that no one has



any good in him at all。 I dare say that you must have observed this。



  Yes; I said。



  And is not this discreditable? The reason is that a man; having to



deal with other men; has no knowledge of them; for if he had knowledge



he would have known the true state of the case; that few are the



good and few the evil; and that the great majority are in the interval



between them。



  How do you mean? I said。



  I mean; he replied; as you might say of the very large and very



small; that nothing is more uncommon than a very large or a very small



man; and this applies generally to all extremes; whether of great



and small; or swift and slow; or fair and foul; or black and white:



and whether the instances you select be men or dogs or anything



else; few are the extremes; but many are in the mean between them。 Did



you never observe this?



  Yes; I said; I have。



  And do you not imagine; he said; that if there were a competition of



evil; the first in evil would be found to be very few?



  Yes; that is very likely; I said。



  Yes; that is very likely; he replied; not that in this respect



arguments are like men…there I was led on by you to say more than I



had intended; but the point of comparison was that when a simple man



who has no skill in dialectics believes an argument to be true which



he afterwards imagines to be false; whether really false or not; and



then another and another; he has no longer any faith left; and great



disputers; as you know; come to think; at last that they have grown to



be the wisest of mankind; for they alone perceive the utter



unsoundness and instability of all arguments; or; indeed; of all



things; which; like the currents in the Euripus; are going up and down



in never…ceasing ebb and flow。



  That is quite true; I said。



  Yes; Phaedo; he replied; and very melancholy too; if there be such a



thing as truth or certainty or power of knowing at all; that a man



should have lighted upon some argument or other which at first



seemed true and then turned out to be false; and instead of blaming



himself and his own want of wit; because he is annoyed; should at last



be too glad to transfer the blame from himself to arguments in



general; and forever afterwards should hate and revile them; and



lose the truth and knowledge of existence。



  Yes; indeed; I said; that is very melancholy。



  Let us; then; in the first place; he said; be careful of admitting



into our souls the notion that there is no truth or health or



soundness in any arguments at all; but let us rather say that there is



as yet no health in us; and that we must quit ourselves like men and



do our best to gain health…you and all other men with a view to the



whole of your future life; and I myself with a view to death。 For at



this moment I am sensible that I have not the temper of a philosopher;



like the vulgar; I am only a partisan。 For the partisan; when he is



engaged in a dispute; cares nothing about the rights of the



question; but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own



assertions。 And the difference between him and me at the present



moment is only this…that whereas he seeks to convince his hearers that



what he says is true; I am rather seeking to convince myself; to



convince my hearers is a secondary matter with me。 And do but see



how much I gain by this。 For if what I say is true; then I do well



to be persuaded of the truth; but if there be nothing after death;



still; during the short time that remains; I shall save my friends



from lamentations; and my ignorance will not last; and therefore no



harm will be done。 This is the state of mind; Simmias and Cebes; in



which I approach the argument。 And I would ask you to be thinking of



the truth and not of Socrates: agree with me; if I seem to you to be



speaking the truth; or if not; withstand me might and main; that I may



not deceive you as well as myself in my enthusiasm; and; like the bee;



leave my sting in you before I die。



  And now let us proceed; he said。 And first of all let me be sure



that I have in my mind what you were saying。 Simmias; if I remember



rightly; has fears and misgivings whether the soul; being in the



form of harmony; although a fairer and diviner thing than the body;



may not perish first。 On the other hand; Cebes appeared to grant



that the soul was more lasting than the body; but he said that no



one could know whether the soul; after having worn out many bodies;



might not perish herself and leave her last body behind her; and



that this is death; which is the destruction not of the body but of



the soul; for in the body the work of destruction is ever going on。



Are not these; Simmias and Cebes; the points which we have to



consider?



  They both agreed to this statement of them。



  He proceeded: And did you deny the force of the whole preceding



argument; or of a part only?



  Of a part only; they replied。



  And what did you think; he said; of that part of the argument in



which we said that knowledge was recollection only; and inferred



from this that the soul must have previously existed somewhere else



before she was enclosed in the body? Cebes said that he had been



wonderfully impressed by that part of the argument; and that his



conviction remained unshaken。 Simmias agreed; and added that he



himself could hardly imagine the possibility of his ever thinking



differently about that。



  But; rejoined Socrates; you will have to think differently; my



Theban friend; if you still maintain that harmony is a compound; and



that the soul is a harmony which is made out of strings set in the



frame of the body; for you will surely never allow yourself to say



that a harmony is prior to the elements which compose the harmony。



  No; Socrates; that is impossible。



  But do you not see that you are saying this when you say that the



soul existed before she took the form and body of man; and was made up



of elements which as yet had no existence? For harmony is not a sort



of thing like the soul; as you suppose; but first the lyre; and the



strings; and the sounds exist in a state of discord; and then



harmony is made last of all; and perishes first。 And how can such a



notion of the soul as this agree with the other?



  Not at all; replied Simmias。



  And yet; he said; there surely ought to be harmony when harmony is



the theme of discourse。



  There ought; replied Simmias。



  But there is no harmony; he said; in the two propositions that



knowledge is recollection; and that the soul is a harmony。 Which of



them; then; will you retain?



  I think; he replied; that I have a much stronger faith; Socrates; in



the first of the two; which has been fully demonstrated to me; than in



the latter; which has not been demonstrated at all; but rests only



on probable and plausible grounds; and I know too well that these



arguments from probabilities are impostors; and unless great caution



is observed in the use of them they are apt to be deceptive…in



geometry; and in other things too。 But the doctrine of knowledge and



recollection has been proven to me 
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