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be a poet or maker; should not only put words together but make



stories; and as I have no invention; I took some fables of esop; which



I had ready at hand and knew; and turned them into verse。 Tell



Evenus this; and bid him be of good cheer; that I would have him



come after me if he be a wise man; and not tarry; and that to…day I am



likely to be going; for the Athenians say that I must。



  Simmias said: What a message for such a man! having been a



frequent companion of his; I should say that; as far as I know him; he



will never take your advice unless he is obliged。



  Why; said Socrates;…is not Evenus a philosopher?



  I think that he is; said Simmias。



  Then he; or any man who has the spirit of philosophy; will be



willing to die; though he will not take his own life; for that is held



not to be right。



  Here he changed his position; and put his legs off the couch on to



the ground; and during the rest of the conversation he remained



sitting。



  Why do you say; inquired Cebes; that a man ought not to take his own



life; but that the philosopher will be ready to follow the dying?



  Socrates replied: And have you; Cebes and Simmias; who are



acquainted with Philolaus; never heard him speak of this?



  I never understood him; Socrates。



  My words; too; are only an echo; but I am very willing to say what I



have heard: and indeed; as I am going to another place; I ought to



be thinking and talking of the nature of the pilgrimage which I am



about to make。 What can I do better in the interval between this and



the setting of the sun?



  Then tell me; Socrates; why is suicide held not to be right? as I



have certainly heard Philolaus affirm when he was staying with us at



Thebes: and there are others who say the same; although none of them



has ever made me understand him。



  But do your best; replied Socrates; and the day may come when you



will understand。 I suppose that you wonder why; as most things which



are evil may be accidentally good; this is to be the only exception



(for may not death; too; be better than life in some cases?); and why;



when a man is better dead; he is not permitted to be his own



benefactor; but must wait for the hand of another。



  By Jupiter! yes; indeed; said Cebes; laughing; and speaking in his



native Doric。



  I admit the appearance of inconsistency; replied Socrates; but there



may not be any real inconsistency after all in this。 There is a



doctrine uttered in secret that man is a prisoner who has no right



to open the door of his prison and run away; this is a great mystery



which I do not quite understand。 Yet I; too; believe that the gods are



our guardians; and that we are a possession of theirs。 Do you not



agree?



  Yes; I agree to that; said Cebes。



  And if one of your own possessions; an ox or an ass; for example



took the liberty of putting himself out of the way when you had



given no intimation of your wish that he should die; would you not



be angry with him; and would you not punish him if you could?



  Certainly; replied Cebes。



  Then there may be reason in saying that a man should wait; and not



take his own life until God summons him; as he is now summoning me。



  Yes; Socrates; said Cebes; there is surely reason in that。 And yet



how can you reconcile this seemingly true belief that God is our



guardian and we his possessions; with that willingness to die which we



were attributing to the philosopher? That the wisest of men should



be willing to leave this service in which they are ruled by the gods



who are the best of rulers is not reasonable; for surely no wise man



thinks that when set at liberty he can take better care of himself



than the gods take of him。 A fool may perhaps think this…he may



argue that he had better run away from his master; not considering



that his duty is to remain to the end; and not to run away from the



good; and that there is no sense in his running away。 But the wise man



will want to be ever with him who is better than himself。 Now this;



Socrates; is the reverse of what was just now said; for upon this view



the wise man should sorrow and the fool rejoice at passing out of



life。



  The earnestness of Cebes seemed to please Socrates。 Here; said he;



turning to us; is a man who is always inquiring; and is not to be



convinced all in a moment; nor by every argument。



  And in this case; added Simmias; his objection does appear to me



to have some force。 For what can be the meaning of a truly wise man



wanting to fly away and lightly leave a master who is better than



himself? And I rather imagine that Cebes is referring to you; he



thinks that you are too ready to leave us; and too ready to leave



the gods who; as you acknowledge; are our good rulers。



  Yes; replied Socrates; there is reason in that。 And this



indictment you think that I ought to answer as if I were in court?



  That is what we should like; said Simmias。



  Then I must try to make a better impression upon you than I did when



defending myself before the judges。 For I am quite ready to



acknowledge; Simmias and Cebes; that I ought to be grieved at death;



if I were not persuaded that I am going to other gods who are wise and



good (of this I am as certain as I can be of anything of the sort) and



to men departed (though I am not so certain of this); who are better



than those whom I leave behind; and therefore I do not grieve as I



might have done; for I have good hope that there is yet something



remaining for the dead; and; as has been said of old; some far



better thing for the good than for the evil。



  But do you mean to take away your thoughts with you; Socrates?



said Simmias。 Will you not communicate them to us?…the benefit is



one in which we too may hope to share。 Moreover; if you succeed in



convincing us; that will be an answer to the charge against yourself。



  I will do my best; replied Socrates。 But you must first let me



hear what Crito wants; he was going to say something to me。



  Only this; Socrates; replied Crito: the attendant who is to give you



the poison has been telling me that you are not to talk much; and he



wants me to let you know this; for that by talking heat is



increased; and this interferes with the action of the poison; those



who excite themselves are sometimes obliged to drink the poison two or



three times。



  Then; said Socrates; let him mind his business and be prepared to



give the poison two or three times; if necessary; that is all。



  I was almost certain that you would say that; replied Crito; but I



was obliged to satisfy him。



  Never mind him; he said。



  And now I will make answer to you; O my judges; and show that he who



has lived as a true philosopher has reason to be of good cheer when he



is about to die; and that after death he may hope to receive the



greatest good in the other world。 And how this may be; Simmias and



Cebes; I will endeavor to explain。 For I deem that the true disciple



of philosophy is likely to be misunderstood by other men; they do



not perceive that he is ever pursuing death and dying; and if this



is true; why; having had the desire of death all his life long; should



he repine at the arrival of that which he has been always pursuing and



desiring?



  Simmias laughed and said: Though not in a laughing humor; I swear



that I cannot help laughing when I think what the wicked world will



say when they hear this。 They will say that this is very true; and our



people at home will agree with them in saying that the life which



philosophers desire is truly death; and that they have found them



out to be deserving of the death which they desire。



  And they are right; Simmias; in saying this; with the exception of



the words 〃They have found them out〃; for they have not found out what



is the nature of this death which the true philosopher desires; or how



he deserves or desires death。 But let us leave them and have a word



with ourselves: Do we believe that there is such a thing as death?



  To be sure; replied Simmias。



  And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And



being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul



exists in herself; and is parted from the body and the body is



parted from the soul…that is death?



  Exactly: that and nothing else; he replied。



  And what do you say of another question; my friend; about which I



should like to have your opinion; and the answer to which will



probably throw light on our present inquiry: Do you think that the



philosopher ought to care about the pleasures…if they are to be called



pleasures…of eating and drinking?



  Certainly not; answered Simmias。



  And what do you say of the pleasures of love…should he care about



them?



  By no means。



  And will he thin
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