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alcibiades ii-第4章

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greatness of the difficulty in which you; like others; have your part。  For

you change about in all directions; and never come to rest anywhere:  what

you once most strongly inclined to suppose; you put aside again and quite

alter your mind。  If the God to whose shrine you are going should appear at

this moment; and ask before you made your prayer; 'Whether you would desire

to have one of the things which we mentioned at first; or whether he should

leave you to make your own request:'what in either case; think you; would

be the best way to take advantage of the opportunity?



ALCIBIADES:  Indeed; Socrates; I could not answer you without

consideration。  It seems to me to be a wild thing (The Homeric word margos

is said to be here employed in allusion to the quotation from the

'Margites' which Socrates has just made; but it is not used in the sense

which it has in Homer。) to make such a request; a man must be very careful

lest he pray for evil under the idea that he is asking for good; when

shortly after he may have to recall his prayer; and; as you were saying;

demand the opposite of what he at first requested。



SOCRATES:  And was not the poet whose words I originally quoted wiser than

we are; when he bade us (pray God) to defend us from evil even though we

asked for it?



ALCIBIADES:  I believe that you are right。



SOCRATES:  The Lacedaemonians; too; whether from admiration of the poet or

because they have discovered the idea for themselves; are wont to offer the

prayer alike in public and private; that the Gods will give unto them the

beautiful as well as the good:no one is likely to hear them make any

further petition。  And yet up to the present time they have not been less

fortunate than other men; or if they have sometimes met with misfortune;

the fault has not been due to their prayer。  For surely; as I conceive; the

Gods have power either to grant our requests; or to send us the contrary of

what we ask。



And now I will relate to you a story which I have heard from certain of our

elders。  It chanced that when the Athenians and Lacedaemonians were at war;

our city lost every battle by land and sea and never gained a victory。  The

Athenians being annoyed and perplexed how to find a remedy for their

troubles; decided to send and enquire at the shrine of Ammon。  Their envoys

were also to ask; 'Why the Gods always granted the victory to the

Lacedaemonians?'  'We;' (they were to say;) 'offer them more and finer

sacrifices than any other Hellenic state; and adorn their temples with

gifts; as nobody else does; moreover; we make the most solemn and costly

processions to them every year; and spend more money in their service than

all the rest of the Hellenes put together。  But the Lacedaemonians take no

thought of such matters; and pay so little respect to the Gods that they

have a habit of sacrificing blemished animals to them; and in various ways

are less zealous than we are; although their wealth is quite equal to

ours。'  When they had thus spoken; and had made their request to know what

remedy they could find against the evils which troubled them; the prophet

made no direct answer;clearly because he was not allowed by the God to do

so;but he summoned them to him and said:  'Thus saith Ammon to the

Athenians:  〃The silent worship of the Lacedaemonians pleaseth me better

than all the offerings of the other Hellenes。〃'  Such were the words of the

God; and nothing more。  He seems to have meant by 'silent worship' the

prayer of the Lacedaemonians; which is indeed widely different from the

usual requests of the Hellenes。  For they either bring to the altar bulls

with gilded horns or make offerings to the Gods; and beg at random for what

they need; good or bad。  When; therefore; the Gods hear them using words of

ill omen they reject these costly processions and sacrifices of theirs。 

And we ought; I think; to be very careful and consider well what we should

say and what leave unsaid。  Homer; too; will furnish us with similar

stories。  For he tells us how the Trojans in making their encampment;



'Offered up whole hecatombs to the immortals;'



and how the 'sweet savour' was borne 'to the heavens by the winds;



'But the blessed Gods were averse and received it not。

For exceedingly did they hate the holy Ilium;

Both Priam and the people of the spear…skilled king。'



So that it was in vain for them to sacrifice and offer gifts; seeing that

they were hateful to the Gods; who are not; like vile usurers; to be gained

over by bribes。  And it is foolish for us to boast that we are superior to

the Lacedaemonians by reason of our much worship。  The idea is

inconceivable that the Gods have regard; not to the justice and purity of

our souls; but to costly processions and sacrifices; which men may

celebrate year after year; although they have committed innumerable crimes

against the Gods or against their fellow…men or the state。  For the Gods;

as Ammon and his prophet declare; are no receivers of gifts; and they scorn

such unworthy service。  Wherefore also it would seem that wisdom and

justice are especially honoured both by the Gods and by men of sense; and

they are the wisest and most just who know how to speak and act towards

Gods and men。  But I should like to hear what your opinion is about these

matters。



ALCIBIADES:  I agree; Socrates; with you and with the God; whom; indeed; it

would be unbecoming for me to oppose。



SOCRATES:  Do you not remember saying that you were in great perplexity;

lest perchance you should ask for evil; supposing that you were asking for

good?



ALCIBIADES:  I do。



SOCRATES:  You see; then; that there is a risk in your approaching the God

in prayer; lest haply he should refuse your sacrifice when he hears the

blasphemy which you utter; and make you partake of other evils as well。 

The wisest plan; therefore; seems to me that you should keep silence; for

your 'highmindedness'to use the mildest term which men apply to folly

will most likely prevent you from using the prayer of the Lacedaemonians。 

You had better wait until we find out how we should behave towards the Gods

and towards men。



ALCIBIADES:  And how long must I wait; Socrates; and who will be my

teacher?  I should be very glad to see the man。



SOCRATES:  It is he who takes an especial interest in you。  But first of

all; I think; the darkness must be taken away in which your soul is now

enveloped; just as Athene in Homer removes the mist from the eyes of

Diomede that



'He may distinguish between God and mortal man。'



Afterwards the means may be given to you whereby you may distinguish

between good and evil。  At present; I fear; this is beyond your power。



ALCIBIADES:  Only let my instructor take away the impediment; whether it

pleases him to call it mist or anything else!  I care not who he is; but I

am resolved to disobey none of his commands; if I am likely to be the

better for them。



SOCRATES:  And surely he has a wondrous care for you。



ALCIBIADES:  It seems to be altogether advisable to put off the sacrifice

until he is found。



SOCRATES:  You are right:  that will be safer than running such a

tremendous risk。



ALCIBIADES:  But how shall we manage; Socrates?At any rate I will set

this crown of mine upon your head; as you have given me such excellent

advice; and to the Gods we will offer crowns and perform the other

customary rites when I see that day approaching:  nor will it be long

hence; if they so will。



SOCRATES:  I accept your gift; and shall be ready and willing to receive

whatever else you may proffer。  Euripides makes Creon say in the play; when

he beholds Teiresias with his crown and hears that he has gained it by his

skill as the first…fruits of the spoil:



'An auspicious omen I deem thy victor's wreath:

For well thou knowest that wave and storm oppress us。'



And so I count your gift to be a token of good…fortune; for I am in no less

stress than Creon; and would fain carry off the victory over your lovers。








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