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charmides-第12章

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are saying; is the point at issue。







Well; he answered; I mean to say; that he who does evil; and not good; is



not temperate; and that he is temperate who does good; and not evil:  for



temperance I define in plain words to be the doing of good actions。







And you may be very likely right in what you are saying; but I am curious



to know whether you imagine that temperate men are ignorant of their own



temperance?







I do not think so; he said。







And yet were you not saying; just now; that craftsmen might be temperate in



doing another's work; as well as in doing their own?







I was; he replied; but what is your drift?







I have no particular drift; but I wish that you would tell me whether a



physician who cures a patient may do good to himself and good to another



also?







I think that he may。







And he who does so does his duty?







Yes。







And does not he who does his duty act temperately or wisely?







Yes; he acts wisely。







But must the physician necessarily know when his treatment is likely to



prove beneficial; and when not? or must the craftsman necessarily know when



he is likely to be benefited; and when not to be benefited; by the work



which he is doing?







I suppose not。







Then; I said; he may sometimes do good or harm; and not know what he is



himself doing; and yet; in doing good; as you say; he has done temperately



or wisely。  Was not that your statement?







Yes。







Then; as would seem; in doing good; he may act wisely or temperately; and



be wise or temperate; but not know his own wisdom or temperance?







But that; Socrates; he said; is impossible; and therefore if this is; as



you imply; the necessary consequence of any of my previous admissions; I



will withdraw them; rather than admit that a man can be temperate or wise



who does not know himself; and I am not ashamed to confess that I was in



error。  For self…knowledge would certainly be maintained by me to be the



very essence of knowledge; and in this I agree with him who dedicated the



inscription; 'Know thyself!' at Delphi。  That word; if I am not mistaken;



is put there as a sort of salutation which the god addresses to those who



enter the temple; as much as to say that the ordinary salutation of 'Hail!'



is not right; and that the exhortation 'Be temperate!' would be a far



better way of saluting one another。  The notion of him who dedicated the



inscription was; as I believe; that the god speaks to those who enter his



temple; not as men speak; but; when a worshipper enters; the first word



which he hears is 'Be temperate!'  This; however; like a prophet he



expresses in a sort of riddle; for 'Know thyself!' and 'Be temperate!' are



the same; as I maintain; and as the letters imply (Greek); and yet they may



be easily misunderstood; and succeeding sages who added 'Never too much;'



or; 'Give a pledge; and evil is nigh at hand;' would appear to have so



misunderstood them; for they imagined that 'Know thyself!' was a piece of



advice which the god gave; and not his salutation of the worshippers at



their first coming in; and they dedicated their own inscription under the



idea that they too would give equally useful pieces of advice。  Shall I



tell you; Socrates; why I say all this?  My object is to leave the previous



discussion (in which I know not whether you or I are more right; but; at



any rate; no clear result was attained); and to raise a new one in which I



will attempt to prove; if you deny; that temperance is self…knowledge。







Yes; I said; Critias; but you come to me as though I professed to know



about the questions which I ask; and as though I could; if I only would;



agree with you。  Whereas the fact is that I enquire with you into the truth



of that which is advanced from time to time; just because I do not know;



and when I have enquired; I will say whether I agree with you or not。 



Please then to allow me time to reflect。







Reflect; he said。







I am reflecting; I replied; and discover that temperance; or wisdom; if



implying a knowledge of anything; must be a science; and a science of



something。







Yes; he said; the science of itself。







Is not medicine; I said; the science of health?







True。







And suppose; I said; that I were asked by you what is the use or effect of



medicine; which is this science of health; I should answer that medicine is



of very great use in producing health; which; as you will admit; is an



excellent effect。







Granted。







And if you were to ask me; what is the result or effect of architecture;



which is the science of building; I should say houses; and so of other



arts; which all have their different results。  Now I want you; Critias; to



answer a similar question about temperance; or wisdom; which; according to



you; is the science of itself。  Admitting this view; I ask of you; what



good work; worthy of the name wise; does temperance or wisdom; which is the



science of itself; effect?  Answer me。







That is not the true way of pursuing the enquiry; Socrates; he said; for



wisdom is not like the other sciences; any more than they are like one



another:  but you proceed as if they were alike。  For tell me; he said;



what result is there of computation or geometry; in the same sense as a



house is the result of building; or a garment of weaving; or any other work



of any other art?  Can you show me any such result of them?  You cannot。







That is true; I said; but still each of these sciences has a subject which



is different from the science。  I can show you that the art of computation



has to do with odd and even numbers in their numerical relations to



themselves and to each other。  Is not that true?







Yes; he said。







And the odd and even numbers are not the same with the art of computation?







They are not。







The art of weighing; again; has to do with lighter and heavier; but the art



of weighing is one thing; and the heavy and the light another。  Do you



admit that?







Yes。







Now; I want to know; what is that which is not wisdom; and of which wisdom



is the science?







You are just falling into the old error; Socrates; he said。  You come



asking in what wisdom or temperance differs from the other sciences; and



then you try to discover some respect in which they are alike; but they are



not; for all the other sciences are of something else; and not of



themselves; wisdom alone is a science of other sciences; and of itself。 



And of this; as I believe; you are very well aware:  and that you are only



doing what you denied that you were doing just now; trying to refute me;



instead of pursuing the argument。







And what if I am?  How can you think that I have any other motive in



refuting you but what I should have in examining into myself? which motive



would be just a fear of my unconsciously fancying that I knew something of



which I was ignorant。  And at this moment I pursue the argument chiefly for



my own sake; and perhaps in some degree also for the sake of my other



friends。  For is not the discovery of things as they truly are; a good



common to all mankind?







Yes; certainly; Socrates; he said。







Then; I said; be cheerful; sweet sir; and give your opinion in answer to



the question which I asked; never minding whether Critias or Socrates is



the person refuted; attend only to the argument; and see what will come of



the refutation。







I think that you are right; he replied; and I will do as you say。







Tell me; then; I said; what you mean to affirm about wisdom。







I mean to say that wisdom is the only science which is the science of



itself as well as of the other sciences。







But the science of science; I said; will also be the science of the absence



of science。







Very true; he said。







Then the wise or temperate man; and he only; will know himself; and be able



to examine what he knows or does not know; and to see what others know and



think that they know and do really know; and what they do not know; and



fancy that they know; when they do not。  No other person will be able to do



this。  And this is wisdom and temperance and self…knowledgefor a man to



know what he knows; and what he does not know。  That is your meaning?







Yes; he said。







Now then; I said; making an offering of the third or last argument to Zeus


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