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protagoras-第11章

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the gods war against necessity。







All this has a similar drift; for Simonides was not so ignorant as



to say that he praised those who did no evil voluntarily; as though



there were some who did evil voluntarily。 For no wise man; as I



believe; will allow that any human being errs voluntarily; or



voluntarily does evil and dishonourable actions; but they are very



well aware that all who do evil and dishonourable things do them



against their will。 And Simonides never says that he praises him who



does no evil voluntarily; the word 〃voluntarily〃 applies to himself。



For he was under the impression that a good man might often compel



himself to love and praise another; and to be the friend and



approver of another; and that there might be an involuntary love; such



as a man might feel to an unnatural father or mother; or country; or



the like。 Now bad men; when their parents or country have any defects;



look on them with malignant joy; and find fault with them and expose



and denounce them to others; under the idea that the rest of mankind



will be less likely to take themselves to task and accuse them of



neglect; and they blame their defects far more than they deserve; in



order that the odium which is necessarily incurred by them may be



increased: but the good man dissembles his feelings; and constrains



himself to praise them; and if they have wronged him and he is



angry; he pacifies his anger and is reconciled; and compels himself to



love and praise his own flesh and blood。 And Simonides; as is



probable; considered that he himself had often had to praise and



magnify a tyrant or the like; much against his will; and he also



wishes to imply to Pittacus that he does not censure him because he is



censorious。







  For I am satisfied 'he says' when a man is neither bad nor very



stupid; and when he knows justice (which is the health of states); and



is of sound mind; I will find no fault with him; for I am not given to



finding fault; and there are innumerable fools







(implying that if he delighted in censure he might have abundant



opportunity of finding fault)。







  All things are good with which evil is unmingled。







In these latter words he does not mean to say that all things are good



which have no evil in them; as you might say 〃All things are white



which have no black in them;〃 for that would be ridiculous; but he



means to say that he accepts and finds no fault with the moderate or



intermediate state。 He says:







  I do not hope to find a perfectly blameless man among those who



partake of the fruits of the broad…bosomed earth (if I find him; I



will send you word); in this sense I praise no man。 But he who is



moderately good; and does no evil; is good enough for me; who love and



approve every one。







(and here observe that he uses a Lesbian word; epainemi 'approve';



because he is addressing Pittacus;







  Who love and approve every one voluntarily; who does no evil:







and that the stop should be put after 〃voluntarily〃); 〃but there are



some whom I involuntarily praise and love。 And you; Pittacus; I



would never have blamed; if you had spoken what was moderately good



and true; but I do blame you because; putting on the appearance of



truth; you are speaking falsely about the highest matters。 And this; I



said; Prodicus and Protagoras; I take to be the meaning of Simonides



in this poem。



  Hippias said: I think; Socrates; that you have given a very good



explanation of the poem; but I have also an excellent interpretation



of my own which I will propound to you; if you will allow me。



  Nay; Hippias; said Alcibiades; not now; but at some other time。 At



present we must abide by the compact which was made between Socrates



and Protagoras; to the effect that as long as Protagoras is willing to



ask; Socrates should answer; or that if he would rather answer; then



that Socrates should ask。



  I said: I wish Protagoras either to ask or answer as he is inclined;



but I would rather have done with poems and odes; if he does not



object; and come back to the question about which I was asking you



at first; Protagoras; and by your help make an end of that。 The talk



about the poets seems to me like a commonplace entertainment to



which a vulgar company have recourse; who; because they are not able



to converse or amuse one another; while they are drinking; with the



sound of their own voices and conversation; by reason of their



stupidity; raise the price of flute…girls in the market; hiring for



a great sum the voice of a flute instead of their own breath; to be



the medium of intercourse among them: but where the company are real



gentlemen and men of education; you will see no flute…girls; nor



dancing…girls; nor harp…girls; and they have no nonsense or games; but



are contented with one another's conversation; of which their own



voices are the medium; and which they carry on by turns and in an



orderly manner; even though they are very liberal in their



potations。 And a company like this of ours; and men such as we profess



to be; do not require the help of another's voice; or of the poets



whom you cannot interrogate about meaning of what they are saying;



people who cite them declaring; some that the poet has meaning; and



others that he has another; and the point which is in dispute can



never be decided。 This sort of entertainment they decline; and



prefer to talk with one another; and put one another to the proof in



conversation。 And these are the models which I desire that you and I



should imitate。 Leaving the poets; and keeping to ourselves; let us



try the mettle of one another and make proof of the truth in



conversation。 If you have a mind to ask; I am ready to answer; or if



you would rather; do you answer; and give me the opportunity of



resuming and completing our unfinished argument。



  I made these and some similar observations; but Protagoras would not



distinctly say which he would do。 Thereupon Alcibiades turned to



Callias; and said:…Do you think; Callias; that Protagoras is fair in



refusing to say whether he will or will not answer? for I certainly



think that he is unfair; he ought either to proceed with the argument;



or distinctly refuse to proceed; that we may know his intention; and



then Socrates will be able to discourse with some one else; and the



rest of the company will be free to talk with one another。



  I think that Protagoras was really made ashamed by these words of



Alcibiades and when the prayers of Callias and the company were



superadded; he was at last induced to argue; and said that I might ask



and he would answer。



  So I said: Do not imagine; Protagoras; that I have any other



interest in asking questions of you but that of clearing up my own



difficulties。 For I think that Homer was very right in saying that







      When two go together; one sees before the other;







for all men who have a companion are readier in deed; word; or



thought; but if a man







          Sees a thing when he is alone;







he goes about straightway seeking until he finds some one to whom he



may show his discoveries; and who may confirm him in them。 And I would



rather hold discourse with you than with any one; because I think that



no man has a better understanding of most things which a good man



may be expected to understand; and in particular of virtue。 For who is



there; but you?…who not only claim to be a good man and a gentleman;



for many are this; and yet have not the power of making others good



whereas you are not only good yourself; but also the cause of goodness



in others。 Moreover such confidence have you in yourself; that



although other Sophists conceal their profession; you proclaim in



the face of Hellas that you are a Sophist or teacher of virtue and



education; and are the first who demanded pay in return。 How then



can I do otherwise than invite you to the examination of these



subjects; and ask questions and consult with you? I must; indeed。



And I should like once more to have my memory refreshed by you about



the questions which I was asking you at first; and also to have your



help in considering them。 If I am not mistaken the question was



this: Are wisdom and temperance and courage and justice and holiness



five names of the same thing? or has each of the names a separate



underlying essence and corresponding thing having a peculiar function;



no one of them being like any other of them? And you replied that



the five names were not the names of the same thing; but that each



of them had a separate object; and that all these objects were parts



of virtue; not in the same way that the parts of gold are like each



other and the whole of which they are parts; but as the parts of the



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