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cretary Stanton； and also his order to take possession of the office； that the Secretary remarked to him that he supposed he would give him time to remove his personal effects； or his private papers； or something to that effect； and the answer was 〃certainly。〃 He said that in a short time the Secretary asked him if he would give him a copy of his order； and he replied 〃certainly；〃 and gave it to him。 He said that it was no more than right to give him time to take out his personal effects。 I asked him when he was going to assume the duties of the office。 He remarked that he should take possession the next morning at ten o'clock； which would be the 22nd； and I think in that connection he stated that he had issued some order in regard to the observance of the day； but of that I am not sure。 I remarked to him that I should be up at that end of the avenue the next day； and he asked me to come in and see him。 I asked him where I could find him。 and he said in the Secretary's room up stairs。 I told him I would be there。 Said he； 〃be there punctually at 10 o'clock。〃 Said I； 〃you are going to take possession to…morrow？〃 〃Yes。〃 Said he； 〃suppose Stanton objects to itresists？〃 〃Well；〃 said he；〃I expect to meet force by force。 Or use force。〃
Mr。 Conkling： 〃Repeat that。〃
The witness。 I asked him what he would do if Stanton objected； or resisted。 He said he would use force； or resort to force。 Said I； 〃Suppose he bars the doors？〃 His reply was。 〃I will break them down。〃 I think that was about all the conversation that we had there in that connection。
No。 2。
The next disputed interrogatory put by General Butler to the witness was：
Shortly after this conversation about which you have testified； and after the President restored Major General Thomas to the office of Adjutant General； if you know the fact that he was so restored； were you present in the War Department； and did you hear Thomas make any statements to the officers and clerks； or either of them； belonging to the War Office； as to the rules and orders of Mr。 Stanton or of the War Office which he； Thomas； would make； revoke； relax； or rescind； in favor of such officers or employes when he had control of the affairs therein？ If so； state as near as you can when it was such conversation occurred； and state all he said； as near as you can。
Mr。 Howard demanded the yeas and nays and they were ordered and were as follows：
YeasAnthony Cameron； Cattell； Chandler； Cole； Conkling； Conness； Corbett； Cragin； Drake； Henderson Howard； Howe； Morgan； Morrill of Vermont； Morton； Nye； Patterson of New Hampshire； Pomeroy； Ramsey； Ross； Sprague； Stewart； Sumner； Thayer； Tipton； Trumbull； Wilson28all Republicans。
NaysBayard； Buckalew； Davis； Dixon； Doolittle； Edmunds； Ferry； Fessenden； Fowler； Frelinghuysen； Grimes； Hendricks； Johnson； McCreery； Morrill of Maine； Norton； Patterson of Tennessee； Sherman； Van Winkle； Vickers； Willey； Wilson2211 Republicans； 11 Democrats。
So the Senate decided that the question should be answered。
Mr。 Butler： With the leave of the President； I will put this question by portions。
Did you hear Thomas make any statement to the officers or clerks； or either of them； belonging to the War Office； as to the rules and orders of Mr。 Stanton； or of the office； which he； Thomas； would revoke； relax； or rescind； in favor of such officers and employes when he had control therein？
Answer： The General remarked to me that he had made an arrangement to have all the heads； or officers in charge of the different departments of the office come in with their clerks that morning； as he wanted to address them。 He stated that the rules which had been adopted for the government of the clerks by his predecessor were of a very arbitrary character； and he proposed to relax them。 I suggested to him that perhaps I had better go。 He said； 〃no； not at allremain；〃 and I sat down and he had some three or four officersfour or five； perhapscome in； and each one brought in a roomful of clerks； and he made an address to each company as they came in； stating to them that he did not propose to hold them strictly to the letter of the instructions； but when they wanted to go out they could go out； and when they wanted to come in they could come in； that he regarded them all as gentlemen。 and supposed they… would do their duty； and he should require them to do their duty； but so far as their little indulgences were concernedI suppose such as going out across the street or something of that kindhe did not intend to interfere with them； all he expected was that they would do their duty。 I waited until he concluded； and we took a walk； and I came away。
Mr。 Samuel Wilkinson testified in response to an interrogatory by Mr。 Butler：
I asked him （Thomas） to tell me what had occurred that morning between him and the Secretary of War in his endeavor to take possession of the War Department。 He hesitated to do so till I told him that the town was filled with rumors of the change that had been made； of the removal of Mr。 Stanton and the appointment of himself。 He then said that since the affair had become public he felt relieved to speak to me with freedom about it。 He drew from his pocket a copy； or rather the original； of the order of the President of the United States； directing him to take possession of the War Department immediately。 He told me that he had taken as a witness of his action General Williams； and had gone up into the War Department and had shown to Edwin M。 Stanton the order of the President； and had demanded by virtue of that order the possession of the War Department and its books and papers。 He told me that Edwin M。 Stanton； after reading the order； had asked him if he would allow him sufficient time for him to get together his books； papers； and other personal property and take away with him； that he told him that he would allow to him all necessary time to do so； and had then withdrawn from Mr。 Stanton's room。 He further told me； that day being Friday； that the next day would be what he called a dies non； being the holiday of the anniversary of Washington's birthday； when he had directed that the War Department should be closed； that the day thereafter would be Sunday； and that on Monday morning he should demand possession of the War Department and of its property； and if that demand was refused or resisted he should apply to the General…in…Chief of the Army for a force sufficient to enable him to take possession of the War Department； and he added that he dd not see how the General of the Army could refuse to obey his demand for that force。 He then added that under the order that the President had given to him he had no election to pursue any other course than the one that he indicated； that he was a subordinate officer directed by an order from a superior officer； and that he must pursue that course。
Hon。 T。 W。 Ferry； called by the Prosecution； testified from memoranda taken down at the time of the demand of General Thomas for possession of the War Office （Mr。 Ferry being present）； as follows：
War Department Washington； Feb。 22； 1867。
In the presence of Secretary Stanton； Judge Kelley； Morehead； Dodge； Van Wyck； Van Horn； Delano； and Freeman Clarke； at 25 minutes past 12 m。； General Thomas； Adjutant…General； came into the Secretary of War Office； saying〃Good morning；〃 the Secretary replying 〃Good morning； sir。〃 Thomas looked around and said； 〃I do not wish to disturb you gentlemen； and will wait。〃 Stanton said； 〃Nothing private here； what do you want？〃 Thomas demanded of Secretary Stanton the surrender of the Secretary of War Office。 Stanton denied it to hint； and ordered him back to his own office as Adjutant…General。 Thomas refused to go。 〃I claim the office of Secretary of War； and demand it by order of the President。〃
Stanton： 〃I deny your authority to act； and order you back to your own office。〃
Thomas： 〃I will stand here。 I want no unpleasantness in the presence of these gentlemen。〃
Stanton： 〃You can stand there if you please； but you can not act as Secretary of War。 I am Secretary of War。 I order you out of this office and to your own。〃 Thomas： 〃I refuse to go； and will stand here。〃
Stanton： 〃How are you to get possession？ Do you intend to use force？〃
Thomas： 〃I do not care to use force； but my mind is made up as to what I shall do。 I want no unpleasantness； though。 I shall stay here and act as Secretary of War。〃
Stanton： 〃You shall not； and I order you； as your superior； back to your own office。〃
Thomas： 〃I will not obey you。 but will stand here and remain here。〃
Stanton： 〃You call stand there if you please。 I order you out of this office to your own。 I am Secretary of War； and your superior。〃
Thomas then went into opposite room across hall （General Schriver's） and commenced ordering General Schriver and General Townsend。 Stanton entered； followed by Moorhead and Ferry； and ordered those generals not to obey or pay any attention to General Thomas' orders； that he denied his assumed authority as Secretary of War ad interim； and forbade their obedience of his directions。 〃I am Secretary of War； and I now order you； General Thomas out of this place to your own quarters。〃
Thomas： 〃I will not go； I shall discharge the functions of